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Title: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: greenstreet on October 08, 2018, 10:18:59 AM
The 40th anniversary of Moonie's death seems as good a chance to keep milking the cow as any, and who has eagerly jumped at the chance? No less than "mod-exploitation" specialists Ben Sherman. The result? A disgusting and pointless collection that even a comedy mod would find hard to swallow. That the whole mess is sanctioned by the Keith Moon state adds insult to injury:


https://www.bensherman.co.uk/clothing/ben-sherman-x-keith-moon
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: detroitmike on October 08, 2018, 11:03:56 AM
Ugh. Looks like every other mass market label.
Ben Sherman hasn't had a decent looking line in decades.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Simon Bond on October 08, 2018, 06:02:56 PM
I have been a big fan of Moons work for most of my life. In 1979 I was able to buy a 1" button badge that said "Who are we without Moon" and l wore it as a wee tribute to Keith.  .
Would l touch any of this latest "collection " ? Probably not but considering that Moon was a bit unhinged at the best of times ,  he might well have liked it .  Facts are we will never know. 
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: greenstreet on October 08, 2018, 06:55:57 PM
Ugh. Looks like every other mass market label.
Ben Sherman hasn't had a decent looking line in decades.


I like some of their archive shirts, with proper 3 fingers' collars. But even in that line, with the huge archive they probably have I'm sure there are tons of nicer shirts to be reissued than the ones they've chosen.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: detroitmike on October 09, 2018, 02:15:13 AM
Last ones I bought from them were from the "Candy Stripe" line they did what seems like ages ago. maybe a few after that but as soon as they went to that 2 finger collar, Iost . My Brooks Bros.button downs have a nicer collar.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Bill The Pill on October 09, 2018, 04:06:23 AM
Oh dear,lost their way ages ago. ::)
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Martin G on October 09, 2018, 12:24:15 PM
I think I'm with you guys. Not for me. At a push the check one is half OK if someone bought it for me as a gift and I didn't want to hurt their feelings. The thing is is that if the company sling a load of money at Moon's Estate they are never going to turn it down. Same as a few years back when I think Lambretta did a WHO endorsed/inspired range. The remaining band members always admit their actual connection to the Mod thing was tenuous and contrived but they do however embrace the fact that they will be forever entwined with it all as far as the general public are concerned. In honesty though I doubt anyone will have to wait long until TK MAXX are awash with these items if they are keen to buy them even as items of Who/Moon memorabilia.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Simon Bond on October 09, 2018, 01:55:40 PM
I think I'm with you guys. Not for me. At a push the check one is half OK if someone bought it for me as a gift and I didn't want to hurt their feelings. The thing is is that if the company sling a load of money at Moon's Estate they are never going to turn it down. Same as a few years back when I think Lambretta did a WHO endorsed/inspired range. The remaining band members always admit their actual connection to the Mod thing was tenuous and contrived but they do however embrace the fact that they will be forever entwined with it all as far as the general public are concerned. In honesty though I doubt anyone will have to wait long until TK MAXX are awash with these items if they are keen to buy them even as items of Who/Moon memorabilia.

It is possible that the early Who/High Numbers would not have made it without the Mod's that followed them to places like The Aquarium and the Railway Hotel around '64 . However , despite the outward appearance l don't think anyone would argue that as individuals any of the Who were Mod's . Despite this Mod's did still favour their music and the band went onto embrace the whole Pop Art thing. I might be wrong but l do think that Moon was the last member to ditch the Mod image.

My first introduction to Mod was buying Qudrophenia in 1976 after a school friend had regaled me about it for weeks. So Who fan first then a Mod , whereas l know for many it would be the other way around.

I saw Pete Townsend being interviewed in '79 about being on his way to a gig and seeing a bunch of parka clad guys standing outside of the venue . Townsend went onto say that he went up to one of them and said "Do you know who l am?" Apparently the guy just looked at him and Townsend just assumed the guy didn't know . I thought then that he wouldn't get away with that with me but little did l know that less than 2 years later l would meet Pete whilst wearing my parka and after a short chat he went on to sign his name on it . I was right about him not making the remark to me. .
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Martin G on October 09, 2018, 02:25:04 PM
Fantastic story Simon. I'm not knocking The band at all. I bloody love 'em and have seen them countless times over the last 30 years. My Uncle was a fan as a teenager so I grew up with their stuff in the house including QUADROPHENIA and that amazing booklet that came attached to it. I think there were however a fair few bands of that era who Mods went to see simply because young kids went to the local dance halls and clubs as it was the pre record spinning era on the main. The Who, under Meaden's, guidance then saw a gap in the market and thought it an idea to give these potential hardcore Mod punters a figurehead group. Of course to some extent they succeeded particularly when Lambert and Stamp came on the scene.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Simon Bond on October 09, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
Yeah Martin , you are spot on about the " gap in the market" and of course it took a guy like Meaden to guide the Who to the gap , which they went onto fill quite well of course . Lambert and Stamp worked some pure genius by bring out the best in the group.
You are probably right about people going along to their local venue to hear music too . It is possible that the Who just started playing to the crowd and thus created their following that way as they did become known as a Shepards Bush band, and when they did get a record deal they were very much a singles group as , even as a fervent fan l still think the first album is patchy.
Having seen some really good live acts over the years , l still don't think anything comes close to the Who , right from that first chord of the first track(usually Can't Explain) , they are in a different dimension and that is something that for me doesn't really work when you watch them live on tv . I don't think that would make sense to someone that hasn't seen them live and l didn't think you were knocking them Martin .

Going back to the gap in the market bit , l also think that about 12yrs after the Who did that another band , the Jam , did a very similar thing to some extent. ..
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Adam on October 09, 2018, 05:06:04 PM
Back to the clothing range for a mo.  Please don't buy me any of them for Crimble unless it has a money back receipt.... ;D
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Adam on October 09, 2018, 05:06:58 PM
Or I can swap it for a pack of polos
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: The Laird of Enfield on October 17, 2018, 09:27:48 PM

This is aboot the only decent effort in thir current collection n' even then the collar might be deemed tae be oan the wee side.

(https://www.bensherman.co.uk/upload/siteimages/amazon/0051455_450_a.jpg)

Wid probably be best suited tae a Wolverhampton Wanderers or Alloa Athletic supporter.

Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: greenstreet on October 18, 2018, 08:45:41 AM

This is aboot the only decent effort in thir current collection n' even then the collar might be deemed tae be oan the wee side.



But that one doesn't belong to the Moonie collection. To be fair, in their regular range there are some basic pieces that look decent (if a bit overpriced). I like especially the features of the archive shirts, tho' the curren patterns are mostly ill-chosen. These long sleeve polos are nice too:


(https://i.imgur.com/3HlbKfx.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZMwdOy7.jpg?1)




Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Martin G on October 18, 2018, 10:13:50 AM
Yeah those look OK but as you say collars could be bigger and prices...lower. These sort often spring up in TK MAXX so I always keep my eyes open for them in the £25 range. Do like that green one though. Talking of Keith Moon, and swerving off topic a bit, Daltrey has announced that bio-pic is now back on the cards. They've been talking about one for donkeys years. Going back as far as John Sessions being named to play him 25 or so years back. Then Mike Myers about ten years after that. In the light of the new QUEEN one and the upcoming Elton John one I guess they think interest in these sort of films is high and worth another punt to get it out there.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: The Laird of Enfield on October 18, 2018, 01:16:14 PM
Yeah those look OK but as you say collars could be bigger and prices...lower. These sort often spring up in TK MAXX so I always keep my eyes open for them in the £25 range. Do like that green one though. Talking of Keith Moon, and swerving off topic a bit, Daltrey has announced that bio-pic is now back on the cards. They've been talking about one for donkeys years. Going back as far as John Sessions being named to play him 25 or so years back. Then Mike Myers about ten years after that. In the light of the new QUEEN one and the upcoming Elton John one I guess they think interest in these sort of films is high and worth another punt to get it out there.

Idris Elba seems tae get linked wi' every big part gaun these days so mibbe he will be interested.

Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Martin G on October 18, 2018, 01:28:05 PM
Yep! You heard it here first!
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Simon Bond on October 18, 2018, 09:03:36 PM

This is aboot the only decent effort in thir current collection n' even then the collar might be deemed tae be oan the wee side.

(https://www.bensherman.co.uk/upload/siteimages/amazon/0051455_450_a.jpg)

Wid probably be best suited tae a Wolverhampton Wanderers or Alloa Athletic supporter.

I'm out on that one , definitely not a muzzle fit . .
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Number 6 on October 19, 2018, 04:31:53 PM
Right, still o/t but following Simon’s encounter with Townshend and talk of the Moon biopic...

Went to see Roger Daltrey in conversation for his book launch last night.  He said he wants to make a film about the real Keith Moon; and has secured a scriptwriter. He definitely doesn’t want the film to be about The Who, but about Keith. He said that Moon was the funniest person by far he’d ever met, but also the most troubled (no surprises there).

The conversation touched on Mod and how Pete Meaden had moulded them into a Mod group and their following at the Railway Hotel initially; and how the rows of scooters caught the attention of Kit Lambert, which obviously led onto bigger things. Also how having curly hair as a Mod was akin to having the pox!  And how he used to have to straighten it constantly (yep been there myself when I was younger and had the full bouffant!)

Afterwards I got to meet and had some photos with him and the first thing he said to me was “Nice schmutter, that’s proper tailoring!” ....which was nice 8).

Oh, and that collection is typical BS sh*te .. ???
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: greenstreet on October 19, 2018, 05:37:47 PM
Right, still o/t but following Simon’s encounter with Townshend and talk of the Moon biopic...

Went to see Roger Daltrey in conversation for his book launch last night.  He said he wants to make a film about the real Keith Moon; and has secured a scriptwriter. He definitely doesn’t want the film to be about The Who, but about Keith. He said that Moon was the funniest person by far he’d ever met, but also the most troubled (no surprises there).

The conversation touched on Mod and how Pete Meaden had moulded them into a Mod group and their following at the Railway Hotel initially; and how the rows of scooters caught the attention of Kit Lambert, which obviously led onto bigger things. Also how having curly hair as a Mod was akin to having the pox!  And how he used to have to straighten it constantly (yep been there myself when I was younger and had the full bouffant!)

Afterwards I got to meet and had some photos with him and the first thing he said to me was “Nice schmutter, that’s proper tailoring!” ....which was nice 8).

Oh, and that collection is typical BS sh*te .. ???


Nice post, n. 6!
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: greenstreet on October 19, 2018, 05:51:58 PM
Not sure about a Moon/Who biopic, I still think "The Kids are Alright" is one of the best rock documentaries out there, and if you add to it the Lambert/Stamp one it looks like a fiction movie on the subject is, at best, pointless.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Martin G on October 19, 2018, 07:45:00 PM
Great stuff Number 6! Heard it was a good night. Blinding you managed some personal stuff with Roger too. Blinding comment for him to make.
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: pie and mash on October 19, 2018, 11:41:18 PM
Yeah those look OK but as you say collars could be bigger and prices...lower. These sort often spring up in TK MAXX so I always keep my eyes open for them in the £25 range. Do like that green one though. Talking of Keith Moon, and swerving off topic a bit, Daltrey has announced that bio-pic is now back on the cards. They've been talking about one for donkeys years. Going back as far as John Sessions being named to play him 25 or so years back. Then Mike Myers about ten years after that. In the light of the new QUEEN one and the upcoming Elton John one I guess they think interest in these sort of films is high and worth another punt to get it out there.

Idris Elba seems tae get linked wi' every big part gaun these days so mibbe he will be interested.

I have to admit ,when i`m stalking this site i often skip Laird`s posts , ( no offence intended ,just i havn`t got time in my life to sit and decipher them ) , but thats got to be funniest thing eve ever read on here !
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: greenstreet on October 20, 2018, 10:57:22 AM
TBH I didn't know who Idris Elba was, but after watching pics of him I reckon it'd take a lot of involvement on his part, not to speak of the make-up/visual effects expenses necessary to turn him into a believable young Keith Moon. I predict disaster. Next applicant, please!
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: The Laird of Enfield on October 20, 2018, 12:16:35 PM
TBH I didn't know who Idris Elba was, but after watching pics of him I reckon it'd take a lot of involvement on his part, not to speak of the make-up/visual effects expenses necessary to turn him into a believable young Keith Moon. I predict disaster. Next applicant, please!


No if the rumours that Samuel L Jackson is playin' Pete Townsend ur true......


Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: Simon Bond on October 20, 2018, 09:15:30 PM
Right, still o/t but following Simon’s encounter with Townshend and talk of the Moon biopic...

Went to see Roger Daltrey in conversation for his book launch last night.  He said he wants to make a film about the real Keith Moon; and has secured a scriptwriter. He definitely doesn’t want the film to be about The Who, but about Keith. He said that Moon was the funniest person by far he’d ever met, but also the most troubled (no surprises there).

The conversation touched on Mod and how Pete Meaden had moulded them into a Mod group and their following at the Railway Hotel initially; and how the rows of scooters caught the attention of Kit Lambert, which obviously led onto bigger things. Also how having curly hair as a Mod was akin to having the pox!  And how he used to have to straighten it constantly (yep been there myself when I was younger and had the full bouffant!)

Afterwards I got to meet and had some photos with him and the first thing he said to me was “Nice schmutter, that’s proper tailoring!” ....which was nice 8).

Oh, and that collection is typical BS sh*te .. ???

Nice one Nos6 , great post. .
Title: Re: Keith Moon x Ben Sherman
Post by: greenstreet on October 21, 2018, 07:21:27 PM
TBH I didn't know who Idris Elba was, but after watching pics of him I reckon it'd take a lot of involvement on his part, not to speak of the make-up/visual effects expenses necessary to turn him into a believable young Keith Moon. I predict disaster. Next applicant, please!


No if the rumours that Samuel L Jackson is playin' Pete Townsend ur true......


Are you sure it isn't a Temptations' biopic you're talking about?